{"id":5706,"date":"2007-02-27T16:05:06","date_gmt":"2007-02-27T13:05:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/baskinoran.com\/?p=5706"},"modified":"2021-03-31T16:18:46","modified_gmt":"2021-03-31T13:18:46","slug":"alexandros-massavetas-katimerini","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/baskinoran.com\/en\/alexandros-massavetas-katimerini\/","title":{"rendered":"Alexandros Massavetas-Katimerini"},"content":{"rendered":"

1. Turkey’s EU accession process has enabled the count<\/span>ry’s liberal intellectuals to <\/span>express themselves more freely and more vocally. Yo<\/span>u are one of the most prominent <\/span>representatives of an intellectual group, which, go<\/span>ing beyond stereotypes of Kemalists <\/span>versus Islamists, centres instead on freedom of tho<\/span>ught and expression as enshrined in <\/span>European public consciousness. You have been a clos<\/span>e associate of Hrant Dink. You <\/span>are a distinguished academic having been submitted <\/span>to similar proceedings on the <\/span>same charge of insulting Turkishness. Do you believ<\/span>e there is hope that Turkey’s <\/span>liberal intelligentsia will overcome the reactionar<\/span>y forces and pave the way for an <\/span>open, pluralistic Turkish society? <\/span><\/p>\n

Hi\u00e7bir hakka, s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131 \u00e7ekmeden kavu<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ulmaz. S\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131 \u00e7ekmeden kavu<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ulan haklar zay\u0131f <\/span>olur. Bu \u00e7ektiklerimiz, kavu<\/span>\u015f<\/span>aca<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131m\u0131z demokratik T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin diyetidir, fiyat\u0131d\u0131r. B<\/span>iz <\/span>bunlar\u0131n \u00fcstesinden geliriz. Kimsenin ku<\/span>\u015f<\/span>kusu olmas\u0131n. <\/span><\/p>\n

Beni \u00fczen bu s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar de<\/span>\u011f<\/span>il. Ula<\/span>\u015f<\/span>mak i\u00e7in m\u00fccadele etti<\/span>\u011f<\/span>imiz \u201cMuas\u0131r <\/span>Medeniyet\u201din umursamazl\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131, kay\u0131ts\u0131zl\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131, hatta ikiy\u00fczl\u00fcl\u00fc<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u00fcd\u00fcr. Avrupa Birli<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i bu <\/span>m\u00fccadeleyi uzaktan bile seyretmiyor. Arkas\u0131n\u0131 d\u00f6n\u00fcv<\/span>eriyor. Umurunda bile de<\/span>\u011f<\/span>il. <\/span>Havu\u00e7lar\u0131 bir kenara att\u0131, sadece sopa g\u00f6steriyor. <\/span>T\u00fcnelin ucunda en ufak bir \u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131k bile <\/span>yakm\u0131yor; gelen trenin \u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 d\u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131nda. Avrupa utanmal\u0131d\u0131r. Aynaya bakacak hali yoktu<\/span>r. <\/span>K\u0131br\u0131s\u2019ta T\u00fcrkler evet dedi d\u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ar\u0131da kald\u0131. Rumlar hay\u0131r dedi girdi. Biz bunu T\u00fcrk<\/span>iye\u2019de <\/span>kimseye izah edemeyiz. Biz T\u00fcrkiyeli demokratlar\u0131n;<\/span> bir yandan fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>istler bir yandan <\/span>da bilin\u00e7siz halk kitleleri aras\u0131nda sandvi\u00e7 olmas\u0131<\/span> i\u00e7in bu bile yeter de artar. Avrupa <\/span>Birli<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i bizi s\u0131rtlanlar\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcne at\u0131p b\u0131rakm\u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>t\u0131r. Utanmal\u0131d\u0131r. <\/span><\/p>\n

Bir f\u0131kra vard\u0131r: Hani, aslan, \u201cBu yara beni \u00f6ld\u00fcr<\/span>mez bu laf beni \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcr\u201d demi<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tav<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ana. Bu fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>istlerin ve bu kitlelerin yapt\u0131klar\u0131 bizi \u00f6ld\u00fcrmez.<\/span> Avrupa\u2019n\u0131n tutumu <\/span>\u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcr. <\/span><\/p>\n

Tabii, bu milliyet\u00e7i rezalete en b\u00fcy\u00fck katk\u0131lardan<\/span> biri de Ermeni diasporas\u0131ndan <\/span>geliyor. Bu insanlar\u0131n \u201cD\u00fcnyadaki tek \u00f6nemli <\/span>\u015f<\/span>ey, T\u00fcrklere Jenosit<\/span> kelimesini telaffuz <\/span>ettirebilmektedir\u201d demekte hi\u00e7bir sak\u0131nca g\u00f6rmemesi<\/span>nden hi\u00e7 bahsetmiyorum, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc <\/span>a<\/span>\u011f<\/span>z\u0131m\u0131 \u00e7ok fena bozabilirim. <\/span><\/p>\n

2. Do you believe Hrant’s death will make the free-spi<\/span>rited Turks more determined and <\/span>more vocal in their fight against the forces of dar<\/span>kness? <\/span><\/p>\n

Buna hi\u00e7bir ku<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ku yok. Hrant bir <\/span>\u015f<\/span>ehittir. Art\u0131k bir efsanedir. <\/span>\u015e<\/span>ehitler ve efsaneler her <\/span>zaman ve her mek\u00e2nda toplumsal m\u00fccadelenin temel un<\/span>surlar\u0131d\u0131r. Ermenili<\/span>\u011f<\/span>in <\/span>e<\/span>\u015f<\/span>cinsellikten bile k\u00f6t\u00fc say\u0131ld\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de y\u00fcz bin ki<\/span>\u015f<\/span>i \u201cHepimiz Ermeniyiz\u201d diye <\/span>y\u00fcr\u00fcd\u00fc (zaten, <\/span>\u015f<\/span>u andaki \u201cHepimiz Og\u00fcn Samast\u2019\u0131z\u201d rezilli<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i tamamen bunun antitezi). <\/span><\/p>\n

Merak etmeyin. Toplumlarda \u201cricorsi\u201d olmaz. Yani, e<\/span>\u011f<\/span>er bir toplum belli bir <\/span>geli<\/span>\u015f<\/span>mi<\/span>\u015f<\/span>lik d\u00fczeyine ula<\/span>\u015f<\/span>m\u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span>sa, kendisini geriye s\u00fcr\u00fckleyen bir dalga kar<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131s\u0131nda bir <\/span>s\u00fcre sonra silkinir ve nerede kald\u0131ysa oray\u0131 taban <\/span>yaparak yoluna devam eder. <\/span>T\u00fcrkiye, olabilece<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i kadar radikal ve \u00f6rg\u00fctl\u00fc olan 12 Eyl\u00fcl 1980 fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>izminden bile <\/span>silkindi; aynen Yunanistan\u2019\u0131n 1967 fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>izminden silkindi<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i gibi. Bug\u00fcn, 1979\u2019daki <\/span>\u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fcklerin de \u00fcst\u00fcndeyiz. O zaman m\u00fcmk\u00fcn m\u00fcyd\u00fc \u201c<\/span>Hepimiz Ermeniyiz\u201d diye <\/span>y\u00fcr\u00fcmek? <\/span>\u0130\u015f<\/span>kence olaylar\u0131 konusunda Strasbourg\u2019un h\u00fckmetti<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i tazminatlar\u0131n devlet <\/span>taraf\u0131ndan i<\/span>\u015f<\/span>kenceciye r\u00fccu edilmesini talep etmek? K.Irak\u2019daki <\/span>K\u00fcrdistan\u2019\u0131n <\/span>ebeli<\/span>\u011f<\/span>inin T\u00fcrkiye taraf\u0131ndan yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti<\/span>\u011f<\/span>ini s\u00f6ylemek?<\/span><\/p>\n

Nas\u0131l bu \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fckler 12 Eyl\u00fcl fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>izmine tepkiyse, bug\u00fcnk\u00fc pro-fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ist ortama da <\/span>tepki olarak \u00e7ok daha demokratik bir T\u00fcrkiye do<\/span>\u011f<\/span>acak. Ama bu cennete ancak 2007 <\/span>cehenneminden ge\u00e7erek ula<\/span>\u015f<\/span>aca<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131z. <\/span><\/p>\n

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3. Those forces of reaction stroke at Hrant, aiming<\/span> once more to terrorise Turkey’s <\/span>liberal intellectuals. The apprehension of those in<\/span>tellectuals has been echoed in the <\/span>international press. Are you worried for the safety<\/span> of yourself and of those who think and <\/span>express themselves freely? Who is to blame for the <\/span>attempt to terrorise the free voices of <\/span>Turkey and what could be done? <\/span><\/p>\n

\u00d6nce <\/span>\u015f<\/span>unu s\u00f6yleyeyim: Ku<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tan korkan dar\u0131 ekmez. Korkunun ecele faydas\u0131 yoktu<\/span>r. <\/span><\/p>\n

Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc ter\u00f6r\u00fcn esas kayna<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 kitleler de<\/span>\u011f<\/span>ildir. T\u00fcrkiye bunu 1940\u2019larda da <\/span>ya<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ad\u0131 ama, kitlelerde bug\u00fcn g\u00f6r\u00fclen \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 e<\/span>\u011f<\/span>ilimler <\/span>\u0130<\/span>kinci D\u00fcnya Sava<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131nda g\u00f6r\u00fclen <\/span>\u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 e<\/span>\u011f<\/span>ilimlerden \u00e7ok farkl\u0131. O zamanlar bunun kayna<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 Nazi \u00fcst\u00fcnl\u00fc<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u00fcn\u00fcn yaratt\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 <\/span>cesaret<\/span><\/span> idi. Oysa <\/span>\u015f<\/span>imdiki \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k, tam tersine, ger\u00e7ek bir korkudan<\/span><\/span> kaynaklan\u0131yor. <\/span>K\u00fcreselle<\/span>\u015f<\/span>me, aynen Avrupa\u2019da oldu<\/span>\u011f<\/span>u gibi (Fransa ve Hollanda\u2019daki AB anayasas\u0131 <\/span>referandumunda niye hay\u0131r \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131?) T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de de ulu<\/span>sal kimlikleri tehdit ediyor. Bu <\/span>tehdit alg\u0131lamas\u0131 kitleleri korkutuyor. <\/span><\/p>\n

Fakat, oy av\u0131na \u00e7\u0131kan kimi partilerin ve en ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ta da CHP\u2019nin bu korkuyu <\/span>s\u00f6m\u00fcrmesi olmasayd\u0131, kitlelerin bu korkusu b\u00f6yle te<\/span>rorize edemezdi \u00fclkeyi. E<\/span>\u011f<\/span>er bu <\/span>partiler iktidardaki AKP\u2019nin \u00fczerine b\u00f6yle gidip on<\/span>u da korkutmasalard\u0131, entelekt\u00fcelleri <\/span>\u00f6l\u00fcmle tehdit edenler ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tan susturulurdu. Kuran ve tabanca \u00fczerine yemin et<\/span>tirip \u201cBu <\/span>m\u00fccadelede \u00f6lmek var, \u00f6ld\u00fcrmek var\u201d diye ortaya \u00e7\u0131k<\/span>an dernekler hemen <\/span>mahkemeye verilirdi. E<\/span>\u011f<\/span>er yarg\u0131 organlar\u0131 bu halk fa<\/span>\u015f<\/span>izmine zaman\u0131nda m\u00fcdahale <\/span>edip yasalar\u0131 uygulasalard\u0131, b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar daha ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tan durdurulurdu. Bizim Ekim <\/span>2004\u2019te yay\u0131nlad\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131m\u0131z resm\u00ee raporu, yani Az\u0131nl\u0131k Haklar\u0131 ve K\u00fclt\u00fcrel<\/span> Haklar <\/span>Raporunu \u00e7ekip TV\u2019ler \u00f6n\u00fcnde y\u0131rtanlara kar<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131 yasalar o zaman uygulansayd\u0131, bug\u00fcn <\/span>kimse Hrant\u2019a kur<\/span>\u015f<\/span>un atamazd\u0131. Bu b\u00f6yle bilinsin. <\/span><\/p>\n

Bak\u0131n, 27 Ocak\u2019ta <\/span>\u0130<\/span>stanbul\u2019da birisi \u201cHrant\u2019\u0131n cenazesini protesto i\u00e7i<\/span>n\u201d bir <\/span>feribot ka\u00e7\u0131rd\u0131. \u201cVatan i\u00e7in yapt\u0131m\u201d dedi, serbest <\/span>b\u0131rak\u0131ld\u0131. Bunun \u00fczerine 10 <\/span>\u015e<\/span>ubat\u2019ta <\/span>iki ki<\/span>\u015f<\/span>i I<\/span>\u011f<\/span>d\u0131r\u2019dan otob\u00fcse atlay\u0131p geldi, ayn\u0131 i<\/span>\u015f<\/span>e giri<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ti, yapamadan yakaland\u0131. Onlara <\/span>ne yap\u0131ld\u0131? Otob\u00fcse bindirilip I<\/span>\u011f<\/span>d\u0131r\u2019a geri yolland\u0131lar. Birinci ter\u00f6r eylemi <\/span>cezaland\u0131r\u0131lsayd\u0131 bu ikinciler gelebilir miydi <\/span>\u0130<\/span>stanbul\u2019a? <\/span>\u015e<\/span>imdi \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc bir feribot <\/span>ka\u00e7\u0131rma eylemini yapmamak i\u00e7in herhangi bir neden v<\/span>ar m\u0131? Prof. Kaboglu ve ben <\/span>bize Rapor y\u00fcz\u00fcnden hakaret edenlere kar<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u0131 \u00e7ok say\u0131da dava a\u00e7t\u0131k. Bunlardan <\/span>sonu\u00e7lanm\u0131<\/span>\u015f<\/span> olanlar\u0131n hepsi reddedildi. Art\u0131k siz d\u00fc<\/span>\u015f<\/span>\u00fcn\u00fcn bu ter\u00f6r\u00fc yapanlar cesareti <\/span>nereden al\u0131yorlar diye. <\/span><\/p>\n

4. Turkey is such a complex society, with a multicu<\/span>lturalism deriving from the Ottoman <\/span>Imperial past. Alongside an elite, some of whose me<\/span>mbers are very daring in expressing <\/span>liberal ideas, the masses seem to be ignorant and e<\/span>asily manipulated by any propaganda. The <\/span>scandalous inequality in distribution of wealth see<\/span>ms to be accompanied by an equally <\/span>scandalous inequality in education, while it appear<\/span>s that there is a huge gap in life values <\/span>between the educated urban elites and the majority <\/span>of the population. What could be done to <\/span>bridge these gaps? What are your dreams for Turkey’<\/span>s future? <\/span><\/p>\n

2001-2004 aras\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye muazzam bir reform yapt\u0131<\/span>; zaten bug\u00fcnk\u00fc \u201cmilliyet\u00e7i\u201d <\/span>dalga da ona tepkidir. Ge\u00e7ecektir. Yeter ki devleti<\/span>n kurumlar\u0131 g\u00f6revlerini yaps\u0131nlar. <\/span>Yasalar\u0131 uygulas\u0131nlar. Ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ka bir <\/span>\u015f<\/span>eye ihtiyac\u0131m\u0131z yok. Zaten yak\u0131nda onlar da <\/span>durumdan pani<\/span>\u011f<\/span>e kap\u0131lacaklar ve yasalar\u0131 uygulamaya ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>layacaklar. O zamana <\/span>kadar fazla <\/span>\u015f<\/span>ehit vermeyece<\/span>\u011f<\/span>imizi umar\u0131m.<\/span><\/p>\n

Sab\u0131r ve sebat. Form\u00fcl budur. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u201cYukar\u0131dan Devr<\/span>im\u201dler (2001-2004 <\/span>aras\u0131nda yap\u0131lanlar, 1920\u2019lerde yap\u0131lanlardan sonra<\/span> ikinci yukar\u0131dan devrim <\/span>dalgas\u0131d\u0131r) yasalar\u0131 hemen de<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tirir, fakat zihniyetleri hemen de<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i<\/span>\u015f<\/span>tiremez. Mesele <\/span>budur. <\/span><\/p>\n

Tabii, Avrupa Birli<\/span>\u011f<\/span>inin yapt\u0131<\/span>\u011f<\/span>\u0131 ay\u0131p devam etti<\/span>\u011f<\/span>i s\u00fcrece i<\/span>\u015f<\/span>imiz zordur, o da <\/span>ba<\/span>\u015f<\/span>ka. <\/span><\/p>\n

“You sound very bitter against the EU, and you echo<\/span> the disappointment with the EU process <\/span>that many Turks have voiced over the last year. Do <\/span>you not believe that it is mainly, if not <\/span>only, because of the government’s EU ambitions that<\/span> the reforms which made Turkey more <\/span>democratic were carried out in any case? And is it <\/span>not normal that the Union should expect <\/span>Turkey to conform to international law and to stand<\/span>ards of behaviour seen among its members <\/span>before the Union becomes more welcoming?” <\/span><\/p>\n

This question reflects a typical approach of a Euro<\/span>pean very outsider to Turkey of <\/span>today. <\/span>If you beat up a child everyday, he’ll become as sp<\/span>oiled as if you had bought him an <\/span>electrical car every day. Carrots and sticks should<\/span> never be dissociated from each <\/span>other. If the EU invents a new precondition for Tur<\/span>kish candidacy at every new EU <\/span>document, it does not do it because it feels the 20<\/span>01-2004 reforms are not enough. It <\/span>does it because it in no way wants to deal with Tur<\/span>key before completely digesting <\/span>the ex-communist States. What’s more, it does it be<\/span>cause it cannot resist the <\/span>pressure by EU peoples which are scared to death by<\/span> Islamophobia, the counterpart <\/span>of Sevres Paranoia in Turkey. <\/span><\/p>\n

And for all this, believe me, EU now mainly uses (t<\/span>he hand of) the Republic of Cyprus <\/span>just as it had used (the hand of) Greece for a very<\/span> long time, until Mr. Simitis stopped <\/span>the nonsense and saved Greece’s honour.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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