{"id":5680,"date":"2008-01-31T10:07:22","date_gmt":"2008-01-31T07:07:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/baskinoran.com\/?p=5680"},"modified":"2021-03-31T10:14:00","modified_gmt":"2021-03-31T07:14:00","slug":"mk-recit-dun-deporte-armenien-texte-etabli-par-baskin-oran","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/baskinoran.com\/en\/mk-recit-dun-deporte-armenien-texte-etabli-par-baskin-oran\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00ab MK \u00bb, R\u00e9cit d\u2019un d\u00e9port\u00e9 arm\u00e9nien, Texte \u00e9tabli par Baskin Oran"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>\u00ab MK \u00bb, <\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>R\u00e9cit d\u2019un d\u00e9port\u00e9 arm\u00e9nien, <\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Texte \u00e9tabli par Baskin ORAN<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>(traduit du turc par Elif Saner et revu par Fran\u00e7ois Skvor), Editions Turquoise <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Nouvelles d\u2019Arm\u00e9nie Magazine : Avez-vous connu \u00ab M. K. \u00bb ? Comment l\u2019enregistrement de ses m\u00e9moires de d\u00e9port\u00e9 vous sont-elles parvenues ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Baskin Oran : Malheureusement je ne l\u2019ai pas connu ; je n\u2019ai pas eu cet honneur. Je dis bien \u00ab honneur \u00bb car je me suis aper\u00e7u que M.K. etait la saintete meme le moment ou j\u2019ai commence a ecouter ses memoires enregistrees en 1980 lorsqu\u2019il avait 74 ans. Il mourut a Sydney en 1997 ; son fils Stepan Kirkyasharian ne me les a envoyes qu\u2019en aout 2004, lorsque nous eumes fait connaissance par l\u2019intermediaire d\u2019un ami commun. Il voulait que les memoires de son cher papa soient publiees.<\/p>\n<p>\u00ab Un saint \u00bb. C\u2019est d\u2019ailleurs exactement ce que m\u2019avait dit Stepan: \u00ab My father was a saintly man \u00bb. J\u2019avais d\u2019abord pense qu\u2019il exagerait par tendresse du fils pour son pere, mais j\u2019avais tort.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NAM : Etait-ce la premi\u00e8re fois que vous \u00e9tiez confront\u00e9 au t\u00e9moignage d\u2019un survivant ? Comment vous est venue l\u2019id\u00e9e de faire ce livre ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>B.O. :<\/strong> Depuis un certain temps deja j\u2019etudiais les relations des Armeniens Ottomans avec les autres groupes ethno-religieux de l\u2019Empire et avec l\u2019Etat, surtout a partir de Tanzimat (1839) jusqu\u2019aux massacres de 1915. Je faisais aussi chaque annee un seminaire de doctorat a la Fac de Sciences Po d\u2019Ankara intitule \u00ab Question Armenienne \u00bb. J\u2019ai donc commence a travailler avec grand interet sur ces enregistrements quand je suis entre en contact avec Stepan. D\u2019abord je les ai fait dechiffrer a une de mes anciennes etudiantes qui est aveugle et qui, par consequent, jouit d\u2019un ouie fine. Puis une echange interminable de mels commen\u00e7a avec Stepan, avec les autres parents de M.K., et meme avec d\u2019autres chercheurs comme le Syriac R. Donef en Australie. Il y avait des mots et passages que je ne comprenais pas. Et aussi, des evenements pas tres clairs comme le siege de Azakh, ou le pogrom d\u2019Adana de 1909. Puis, obtenir les photos et faire dessiner les cartes. Annoter le texte. Preparer tout \u00e7a m\u2019a pris plus d\u2019un an plein temps, tandis qu\u2019au debut je pensais que je n\u2019ecrirais qu\u2019une simple introduction.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NAM : Quel fut l\u2019impact de ce livre en Turquie ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>B. O. :<\/strong> Nous sommes a ce moment a la quatrieme impression. La premiere a coincide avec l\u2019ouverture de la premiere Conference Armenienne a Istanbul. C\u2019etait une vraie demolition de tabou qui alla jusqu&#8217;aux funerailles de Hrant : \u00ab Nous sommes tous Armeniens \u00bb.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NAM : \u00ab MK \u00bb fait le r\u00e9cit de ce qu\u2019un enfant de 9 ans a v\u00e9cu. Un t\u00e9moignage unique. Mais quelle place occupe ce livre par rapport \u00e0 d\u2019autres livres plus th\u00e9oriques publi\u00e9es sur 1915 en Turquie ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>B. O. :<\/strong> Il n\u2019y a pas de theorie la dedans, donc pas d\u2019ideologie. Rien que du vecu d\u2019un enfant qui n\u2019a meme pas atteint la puberte. Pur et simple. Le recit de M.K. est emouvant au plus haut degre non seulement parce qu\u2019il raconte des choses simplement affreuses (sa mere se suicide devant ses yeux, son pere est battu a mort, une femme est -cela est entre les lignes- violee avant de succomber aux coups de poignard a quelques metres de lui) mais ce recit vous frappe aussi parce que l\u2019enfant M.K. ne developpe aucune rancune. C\u2019est etrange et c\u2019est meme surhumain, moi je trouve.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NAM : Vous d\u00e9diez l\u2019\u00e9dition fran\u00e7aise de ce livre \u00e0 Hrant Dink. Un an apr\u00e8s son assassinat, comment peut-on \u00e9valuer la situation aujourd\u2019hui en Turquie ? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>B. O. :<\/strong> J\u2019avais dedie l\u2019edition turque a M.K. lui-meme. Mais entretemps Hrant, mon bel ami, fut assassine. Moi je prends \u00e7a comme un maillon lointain des massacres dont M.K. fut temoin car la mentalite des tueurs est la meme : celle de la \u00ab Nation dominante \u00bb, concept central du \u00ab Systeme de Millet \u00bb introduit en 1454. Bien qu\u2019il fut officiellement aboli en 1839 ce \u00ab systeme \u00bb qui se repose sur l\u2019inegalite entre Musulman et non-Musulman continue toujours dans la cervelle des gens. Et meme, il se repose sur le mepris du premier contre le deuxieme (Nation dominee), d\u2019o\u00f9 ce que chere Rakel appellerait \u00ab cr\u00e9er d\u2019un bebe un tueur \u00bb. J\u2019ai donc dedie l\u2019edition fran\u00e7aise a Hrant.<\/p>\n<p>Avec l\u2019assassinat de Hrant les Armeniens de Turquie se sont pris de panique. Mais quatre jours apres, c&#8217;est-\u00e0-dire a ses funerailles ils ont pris de nouvelles forces avec la marche d\u2019au moins cent mille personnes derriere son cercueil.<\/p>\n<p>A ce moment ou j\u2019ecris ces lignes je me sens en peine mais en paix. Car le v\u0153ux de Hrant est accompli. Les democrates turc appuient sans faille ce qu\u2019il a commence : Ouvrir tout pleinement les conciences aux horreurs de 1915 sans pourtant chercher a maudir les petits-enfants des tueurs Ottomans&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Propos recueillis par Isabelle Kortian)<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00ab MK \u00bb, R\u00e9cit d\u2019un d\u00e9port\u00e9 arm\u00e9nien, Texte \u00e9tabli par Baskin ORAN (traduit du turc par Elif Saner et revu par Fran\u00e7ois Skvor), Editions Turquoise Nouvelles d\u2019Arm\u00e9nie Magazine : Avez-vous connu \u00ab M. K. \u00bb ? Comment l\u2019enregistrement de ses m\u00e9moires de d\u00e9port\u00e9 vous sont-elles parvenues ? 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